Five months after an illegal immigrant gangbanger was arrested for the senseless murder of Jamiel Shaw Jr., Councilman Jack Weiss agreed Wednesday to hold hearings on a measure that would order police to investigate the immigration status of suspects at the time of arrest.
Weiss backed down in the face of a planned protest Thursday at his Westside office (see story below) organized by KABC talk show host Doug McIntyre who arranged to bring Shaw’s family and the family of Anthony Bologna who was murdered along with his two sons in San Francisco in a road rage incident pinned on an illegal immigrant gang member.
The councilman — who has positioned himself as the front-runner for City Attorney by a close alliance with the mayor — said he conferred with Chief Bill Bratton before deciding to hold a Public Safety Committee hearing on Jamiel’s Law. That appears to be why the hearing will not be held for two months to give Bratton time to come up with a strategy to defuse the raging controversy.
I have reviewed this issue closely and have
worked with Chief Bratton, and as a result I am today announcing that we will be holding a public hearing in October to address issues related to Special Order 40,” Weiss said.
Join McIntyre and the Bologna and Shaw families at the protest at Weiss’ Westside office from 9:30 a.m. to 10:30 at 822 S. Robertson Boulevard, Suite 102,
Weiss Deputy Chief of Staff Lisa Hansen wrote to fulldisclosure program on June 24, that the Zine Motion was being handled same as any other proposed policy change: following Bratton’s internal procedures (to review Order within LAPD) he needed to present any proposed changes to the Police Commission for their Review. So it sounds like he’s just pushed Bratton for a firmer timeline on this, his stated policy all along.
Other interested parties were apparently told the same. Too bad McIntyre didn’t actually ask Weiss’ office in the appropriate manner, or they, too, would have gotten this answer. (If I could look it up easily as a former reporter, he should have too, as a purported reporter — though he’s operating as an agitator for ratings, instead.)
Don’t let them spin out of this one.
The committee has the ability to send the matter to the council all by itself. They do not need to wait for Bratton or for the Police Commission. The council has a rule that exists to permit a matter be brought out of committee without waiting for the committee’s action and avoid letting things remain at a standstill.
You apparently are willing to buy, as justified, the snail’s pace level of expediency that they have attached to the subject. Relying on what they have done on other matters doesn’t cut it. In essence, you are saying, “It’s going slowly because everything is done slowly.” It really sounds like they are in a circle-the-wagons mode now. The fact that they are relying on Bratton to move on this is a bit illogical, considering that it was Bratton himself who said he would be making a clarification that would show how any change is already addressed by the present state of affairs and we STILL are waiting for that.
Maybe October sounds “prompt” to you. It didn’t to the Council when they decided to enact their trash fee hikes as soon as possible, meaning September. And we are talking literally about life and death matters for this item, and not about dumping bins once a week.
There was a motion that passed today in city council, acted upon after a motion was made in APRIL for another committee to handle, as the paper trail bears out. Things can be done promptly IF and WHEN the politicians WANT things to be done promptly. Here they have signaled nothing other than their intent to drag their feet and their open scorn for anyone trying to change that. (I would even suggest you check Jack Weiss’ shoes for the scuffmarks, unless he already has new ones to replace the burned out pair.)
We already know Bratton does what Bratton feels like doing- and feels like saying- as long as Mayor Tony V. has given him the o.k. There really is not any compelling reason that the council should have to wait for Bratton’s involvement in order to examine the subject.
And then we have to consider the additional time AFTER this comes out of committee for any other potential action to occur. We still have nothing happening under the announced timetable for the SEVEN MONTHS after the murder of Jamiel Shaw II on March 2, 2008.
If ever a handling were done so poorly as this matter, it would also deserve the same evaluation, “NOT ACCEPTABLE.” Jack Weiss, this one’s on you.
There is no required action that must first occur for the Public Safety Committee to act. Again, the Public Safety Committee has only minimal action to do for it to be passed to the Council to be handled.
All this is so transparent and pretextual that it truly is an insult to all of us to for them to even think we would buy such a story, though it does reflect the institutional uselessness of rituals that SOME people try to hide behind.
And aside from all this, it is completely contemptuous of the public to try to turn the tables to blame OTHERS when it is THE PUBLIC to whom the elected AND appointed officials are designated to be accountable, although many of them have come to believe the exact contrary state by their word and deed.
I hope your boss is paying you well for your loyalty.
Oh yes, this is also so terribly complex. We really must form a blue-ribbon panel to study, and issue a 325-page report on whether to ENFORCE THE LAW!
Please!
Villaraigosa, Weiss, Zine, Garcetti and all of their staff spinners have blood on their hands, and this latest ploy is not going to fly.
This is life and death. This is right and wrong. This is as clear as clear can be.
There is no legitimate reason to give “sanctuary” to illegal alien gang bangers.
Weiss is a modern-day collaborator in Vichy California. Shame on him. I want him to come meet the Shaws and Danielle Bologna face-to-face, and explain to them why he had time to fly to Isreael, time to quibble about plastic bags, time to pass an idiotic ban on fast-food restaurants, yet needs EIGHT MONTHS to figure out whether this City should be a sanctuary for GANG BANGERS.
I will contribute to anyone running against him for City Attorney.
We, the people, need to make it our mission to end these career politicians’ careers once and for all. Then the next round of office holders will think twice before they exhibit this kind of contempt for the victims of murders that Villaraigosa and the City Council could have PREVENTED.
Walter Moore
Candidate for Mayor of Los Angeles
http://WalterMooreForMayor.com
Wow, Walter’s really going off the deep end with his rhetoric here, to promote himself. Phew. Zine was running around telling everyone that Weiss and Council could cut out Bratten if they so chose — which they sensibly didn’t seem to (why on earth would they want to go over Bratton’s head? — to grandstand, but Zine’s been cut down to size on a number of issues besides this one. He’s a legal idiot in general. And fact remains that it was DA Cooley who let out Espinoza and who’s job it was/is to ID felons, especially illegal ones in jail — there’s absolutely nothing holding him to SO40 HOWEVER it’s interpreted. Ditto Baca. They’re trying to pass the buck, and succeeding too well, given the ignorance of the rightwing rabblerousing and bloggers — who typically, totally falsely, blame LAPD for the DA’s and Baca’s messups.
Keep in mind that when this issue gets a hearing in Council Committee, it will be to 1) learn from Bratton after running it by the Police Commission (which he has to answer to on change of policy issues, like it or not, including the financial disclosures, especially given the Consent Decree still being in place), how he “clarified” the order; 2) get a response to Zine’s motion on why the responsible law enforcement agencies failed in their duties and let Espinoza out of jail. Those responsible agencies are the Sheriff’s and DA’s dept. inspectors, entrusted with the task.
Meanwhile, McIntyre’s roused an angry, ignorant mob and a grieving woman from San Francisco to show up at the office of a local Councilman to demand national or at least statewide changes in the way all law enforcement agencies and jurisdictions deal with immigration issues — that will get nowhere. Ron likens his movement to Bastille Day, and it’s sure resembling it: an uneducated rabble going after anyone they have class envy against in a manner the French are ashamed of and try to whitewash today.
McIntyre and JonKen will never be ashamed of anything that gets them ratings, but the analogy is more apt that you could know: It’s one thing for ratings-driven, Republican-biased talk show hosts to rouse mobs with misinformation, but when authority figures continue to do it, it’s just sad.
Anonymous, huh?
I wonder why? Whose staff are you on?
You write and write and write, yet you omit one simple, important bit of information: a legitimate reason to make the city a sanctuary for gang bangers.
How about you do that, instead of calling everyone names?
Oh, I forgot! YOU HAVE NO JUSTIFICATION FOR MAKING THE CITY A SANCTUARY FOR GANG BANGERS.
How silly of me! Please continue with your blather about how the people in this city trying to save lives are ignorant, and you, hiding in anonymity are oh so superior. By all means, keep trying to change the subject to distract everyone from the fact that you cannot justify your position, and dare not reveal your name.
As everybody suspects, Villaraigosa is allied with gangs. His shills would rather hide behind political maneuvering than be honest about an open hearing on Special Order 40. Thanks to talk radio for forcing this issue to light. It’s only a matter of time before someone finds the money trail to demonstrate that Villaraigosa’s sympathies lie with gangs.
Protect the citizens of Los Angeles, Chief Bratton. Support Jamiel’s law and save our sons and daughters from being indiscriminately slaughtered by thugs.
To Anonymi 7:43 p.m. & 10:59 p.m.
If you are two different people, WHO are YOUR ILLEGAL ALIEN gang banger CONSTITUENCIES.
No even law abiding — except for breaking into the country illegally — want gangs and their members, illegal or not.
So, who is paying your salaries and those of the city council, board of supervisors and the mayor?
The undertakers and gang members unions? The body bag, gun and ammo makers? Doctors, nurses, paramedics and hospital emergency rooms?
Anonymi, you are defending the indefensible!
Jamiel’s law is a must. So is getting rid of Special Order 40, and the entire city and county of L.A.’s administrations and their sanctuary city policies.
Unfortunately for you, you won’t learn a damn thing until you or one of your own is gunned down by an illegal alien banger, and end up in a body bag.
Good Morning again, Sussan (see anon at 7:43PM and 10:59 PM
I asked some questions of you yesterday. There is one I want to ask again. Are any of the left wing ‘babbleheads’ such as Ed Schultz or Bill Press or Dave Ross or anyone else with a local or national show saying ANYTHING!!! about sactuary cities, rules like S O 40 or the international danger of gangs like MS 13? Again Doug McIntyre is. He has a taken the moral high ground. Weiss did not meet with him this AM in front of Weiss’s office. That makes Weiss a COWARD in my eyes.
You mentioned that you were a reporter for a large Eastern paper. Why did you leave and who do you write for now?
To: Anon. 10:59 p.m.
I just happen to be one of the “IGNORANT” members of that “ANGRY MOB” you are referring to! Let me just set you straight! I have lived in this city my entire life…decades; and I have watch it deteriorate into a third world version of Tijuana…filled with millions of illegals, hundreds of thousands of gang “ASSOCIATES”, and millions of non-English speakers! I have watched our once great school system plummet to third from last…nationwide! I have watched hospitals close…you know the drill!
But worse than anything, is the corruption in City Hall from the MEXICAN Mafia and their lap dogs..i.e. Gruell, Zine, Weiss, LeBonge, Smith, Hahn, etc.! Which group do you belong to?
EVERYONE is complicit!!! As Doug McIntyre has said over and over…City Hall and L.A. is “their own private FIEFDOM”! You ALL cover each other’s read ends…because you are ALL guilty of criminal negligence, derelict of duty, failure to enforce FED laws, bribery, aiding and abetting illegal aliens, harboring criminals, taxation without representation, and squandering our treasury! You BANKRUPTED this city! And now you want We the People to pay for your crimes!
YES!!! We are becoming an “Angry MOB”…but we have every justification under the sun…it’s NOT because of Jamiel Shaw, Jr. or the Bolognas…it’s EVERYTHING you have done during the past 3 years. Villar & Co. exacerbated an already boiling caldron by putting the finishing touches on turning L.A. into Mexico. He is an agent of Mexico and so is his merry band of thieves! YOU are the one who is advocating lawlessness because YOU support illegal immigration! WE want our laws enforced! English is our OFFICIAL language…not Spanish! Deport ALL illegal aliens! Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend???
Anon. 10:59 p.m. has been posting comments like this multiples times and on multiple L.A. blog sites. Same guy, many posts. I wonder who he/she really is.
Anyone else notice that while McIntyre was rousing his mobs to blindly blaming local officials for even the tragedy of the Balognas, and making no attempt at logic or including his Republican patron DA Cooley whose office let out Espinoza and many, many others — when callers to the show pointed out this was really a state and federal issue that should be addressed at that level with officials, Bill Handel (who I think was handling the phones) brusquely cut them off. With, “we’re doing something which is better than nothing.” Ignorance can’t stand logic, just loud shouting — more of what we heard today. I’m sure there will be a lot more of it here and elsewhere –
To 12:11 p.m.
Are you nuts or something??? You are beating a dead horse on this blog!
In addition, you are truly ignorant…this is NOT a partisan issue! What is it about the word “illegal” that you don’t understand? What is it about the words “illegal alien gangbanger” that you don’t understand? What is it about the word “illegal alien gangbanger murderer” that you don’t understand? What is it about the words “illegal alien gangbanger cop killer” that you don’t understand?
So it’s a State and Federal issue, you say??? Why is it that Villar has DEMANDED that ICE stop the raids in LA? Why is it that Villar refuses to cancel SO 40 in LA??? Why is it that Bratton said LA is Mexican…and if you don’t like it..”YOU CAN MOVE”??? Why is it that Villar said he will NOT honor Bush’s Executive Order that ALL Federal offices MUST use E Verify???? And, lastly…why did Villar say: “No human being is ILLEGAL”????
You are a nuisance here and other blogs…my suggestion is that you return to Mexico (if the shoe fits), or just shut your mouth! WE are mad as hell, and WE are going to do something about it! Just try and stop us…I dare you!
12:11 (and…) yup, a perfect rightwing talk radio listener — your rambling attributions to “me” of things I never said, and inability to comprehend jurisdictions, what I did say or the big picture typify the ignorance of your “side.”
Also pitiful, how you people assume anyone who points out how stunningly naive your narrow, provincial views are, which are incapable of (or just plain refuse to) acknowledge your DA Cooley’s central role in this issue among other things, are somehow “on staff.” Somehow in your minds this is all linked to the “westside” and mass transit, everything else that your extremes of Antonovich/Molina-Alarcon are fighting in an unholy alliance.
Unlike you, though, I’m NOT telling you to “shut up,” since unlike you I respect and welcome freedom of speech. The more you reveal your “thinking” the more you’re just marginalizing yourselves from the mainstream and those who understand that solutions involve much more than ignorant yelling– keep at it.
2:41, I would like to humbly, and quietly, inquire — what are your proposed solutions to the problems being discussed?
2:57: For a start, it would seem like a good idea to familiarize yourselves (or knowledgeable rep) with the fed immigration laws if you demand they be enforced — that’s how that arrogant idiot Gavin Newsom is going to be nailed, for actively defying them. This IS a federal matter. Your self-presumptive rep Walter Moore’s snidely silly deriding the law as “oh, so terribly complex!” above, and “simple as can be” elsewhere (he’s on every comment section on every blog!) just reflects how simple-mindedly naive he is.
Maybe Zine can presume to disregard legalities and shoot his mouth off dissing the Police Chief, e.g. also with the Paparazzi law — but we see how that turned out for him. And never mind those screaming simpletons on the rightwing talk shows. But for a lawyer to do so, is inexcusable. Seems to me, that since Weiss is proposing to review the situation with his usual thoroughness as a lawyer, and with the full input and cooperation of the Police Chief and Police Commission, you’re being given a gift — take advantage of it.
Zine’s motion demanding that all appropriate law enforcement agencies involved report to Council on how and why they dropped the ball with Espinoza and many others on a routine basis — despite Cooley having hundreds of investigators and 1000 lawyers who are supposed to interact with Baca’s dept. and ICE — is an essential component. That fact that your leaders insist on turning a blind eye to Cooley’s central role because he’s a Republican, and is pushing his rightwing flunky Trutanooch who’s never held or run for public office, and has never been accountable for anything at the level he’s claiming to be ready for, means no one will take you seriously. Even Zine, a Republican who supports Cooley, can admit that much.
Speaking of Zine, it’s totally egotistical and amateurish of Walter Moore to keep brushing him off along with his “watered down, toothless” version of “his”/ Walter’s (in the possessive, he always makes clear) Jamiel’s Law. I clearly don’t think much of Zine’s legal acumen or his foolishly antagonizing Bratton at every turn, but if I were Walter Moore, I’d have tried to enlist him as an ally. Whether it’s because Zine demands accountability from the Sheriff’s and DA’s offices as part of the motion, or just for ego reasons, it’s bizarre for him to blow off the ONE public official who’s supported any aspect of Jamiel’s Law. Do you think this guy has ANY chance of running a city and getting along with anyone, of forming coalitions to get work done? That’s it, my 2c, since you asked. If you don’t like it, it’s all the same to me.
P.S. To above: Weiss has invited ICE to participate as well, hence emphasis on immig. laws.
Finally – listened to one of your advocates, KABC’s Larry Elder, who as a lawyer observes that Jamiel’s Law is likely unconstitutional, and even if passed, would be thrown out by challenges from ACLU etc. Similar even with Zine’s motion (although the part that demands accountability from all law enforcement officials IS enforcable and must be followed up on, especially from the Sheriff’s Dept. and DA’s ofc., Elder stated).
In fact, Elder is adament that the only thing he can support as a lawyer is the clarification of existing law S040 that cops CAN turn over anyone who’s apprehended for committing a crime, to ICE (they do that already in many cases, but it seems to be inconcistently applied, is the problem) since anything else would get into profiling, etc. and be deemed unconstitutional.
Walter Moore strongly disagreed with Elder that Weiss and the City Attorney’s office haven’t supported either Jamiel’s Law or Zine’s motion because they’re likely unconstitutional, insisting that the explanation is just that “they are bad people.” Moore came off as a simpleton and even more naive than I’ve seen him in writing and Elder clearly didn’t endorse his views.
Great, thanks, 4:12-4:50.
I am glad to know that, while you disapprove with some of the tactics and certain personalities involved, you agree that something needs to be done.
No, you’re not a lawyer “provincial, anti-city Republicans” hater. And, neither than I. But, I know a professional spin-meister when I hear one, probably one from Mayor Raigo’s office.
Your biggest lie is than Jamiel’s Law would be overturned… Unlikely. The “profiling” complaint doesn’t hold water. We have municipal laws concerning gang injunctions (ie. illegal for gang members to congregate in specified areas) which certainly involves profiling. Gang injunctions and Jamiel’s Law both allow profiling of gang members and would apply prosecution or processing to same. Look at the facts. Profiling of gang members for the purposes of deportation will stand.
9:37, It’s fruitless to argue logic with the likes of you, so last time: if a gangmember under an injunction not to associate with others or engage in certain activities does so or may appear to do so, he MAY be stopped under SO40 for suspicion of breaking the law — that’s WHAT gang injunctions are intended to do, among other things — provide a pretext for cops to stop and question suspected gangmembers. On the other hand, Jamiel’s Law and even Zine’s, would allow and encourage cops to question anyone re: illegal status for no other reason: that’s profiling.
I know it’s hard to comprehend that your heroes of rightwing, Republican rabble-rousing are so clueless, blindly partisan and downright stupid, as is poor Walter Moore — but there it is. At least Larry Elder, the only one of them who can think, can see beneath their rantings. So you think you can straighten him out, too — go at it.
From “provincial, anti-city Republicans” hater:
… if a gangmember under an injunction not to associate with others or engage in certain activities does so or may appear to do so, he MAY be stopped under SO40 for suspicion of breaking the law — that’s WHAT gang injunctions are intended to do …
Ha. intended to do , you say. The gangbanger injunction restriction capabilities are in the Municipal Code. It’s the law.
I agree with you, though. It’s fruitless to argue logic with the likes of you
You’re definitely not an attorney. You’re not even a high school grad (probably a Mayor Raigo staffer aide).
I suggest you offer your services as legal advisor to Doug McIntyre — it seems like you already have.