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Beck Comes Clean: Taking Cars Out of the Hands of Unlicensed Drivers “Could Increase Safety on the Roads”

UPDATE: The LA Times has put up a full version of this story online.

Attaboy Charlie, we didn’t think you had it in you.

In a meeting with LA Times reporters and editors on Wednesday, you are quoted as saying “you would expect the number of hit-and-run accidents to decrease if illegal immigrants were licensed, because illegal immigrant drivers would not have to fear being caught without a license at accidents.”

That is a paraphrase provided by the unnamed person who wrote the story but your quotes give credence to the possibility you actually admitted the obvious: People without a name, without much of anything, without a license, without anything to lose are more dangerous behind the wheel than people who have all those things.

The answer you proposed, wasn’t to take the deadly weapon of a vehicle out of their hands but to allow them to take the state’s written and driving tests to get a license, supplying a birth certificate or other “valid” identification plus a thumb print and a photograph just like everybody else in California — and to face a lot of problems just like everybody else if they don’t have insurance, don’t register their cars, falsify their information or do anything else that is against the laws that are supposed to be applied fairly to all.

In your own words:

“The reality is that all the things that we’ve done – ‘we’ being the state of California – over the last 14, 16 years have not reduced the problem one iota, haven’t reduced undocumented aliens driving without licenses. So we have to look at what we’re doing. When something doesn’t work over and over and over again, my view is that you should reexamine it to see if there is another way that makes more sense.

“Why wouldn’t you want to put people through a rigorous testing process? Why wouldn’t you want to better identify people who are going to be here? It doesn’t make any sense to me. And we could increase safety on the roads. When you make things illegal you cause a lot of other things by chain reaction.”

Truer words you have never spoken.

The answer to the problem isn’t to let unlicensed drivers with phony insurance and faked registration ride away in their cars from the scene of a traffic stop, as you have proposed.

I got news for you Charlie, the pathetic leadership in Sacramento hasn’t let illegal immigrants get state driver licenses yet any more than the pathetic leadership in Washington has developed a workable immigration policy.

So in the great tradition of Chief William Parker why don’t you take the lead and solve this public safety issue now.

Call on the mayor and City Council to adopt a licensing policy for illegal immigrant drivers. If they take the city’s written and driving tests – at their own expense under the mayor’s novel full cost recovery program – and meet the same requirements as every state-licensed motorist, they will be granted an official license by the City of Los Angeles and be treated like everybody else on the road.

A lot of people think all those illegal immigrants should be kicked out of this country. But that ain’t gonna happen. A lot of people think allowing illegal immigrants to get a license is some kind of reward for their misconduct.

Charlie, that isn’t what I believe. I’ve been saying publicly for a long time that it is in everybody’s self-interest to require that everyone who drives a vehicle be licensed, insured and registered and have an identity that can help authorities find them if something bad happens.

It’s also in everybody’s self-interest to get unlicensed drivers off the road and to make sure that anyone behind the wheel has an identity, knows the laws and can avoid a lot of trouble by obeying the same laws as everybody else.

So what is it Charlie: Are you going to do something that “increases the safety on the roads” and reduces the number of hit-and-run accidents or are you going to go forward with a policy – actually you claim it is just a procedural change so it can’t be reviewed by the Police Commission, City Council or mayor – that puts our lives at risk?

You showed you know the difference between right and wrong when you walked next door and talked to the LA Times.

Now prove you are your own man, really the Chief of Police, by daring the mayor and City Council to do what is right in terms of protecting the public from harm.

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22 Responses to Beck Comes Clean: Taking Cars Out of the Hands of Unlicensed Drivers “Could Increase Safety on the Roads”

  1. Ricardo says:

    Huffington Post having a field day with Beck story. “More recent reports show that there were 15,611 hit-and-run collisions in California that left 20,260 injured and 185 dead, according to a 2009 annual report from the CHP [PDF].

    So Beck admits that roads would be safer in that they are not safe now with illegals driving. And how will they know what the speed limits are and what signs say if they don’t speak English?

    • Scott Zwartz says:

      Reading Speed Limit Signs Wow? You’ve got me there cowboy!

      Let’s see 65 in Spanish is 65

      Thanks for showing once again the connection between bigotry and stupidity.

  2. ex-valley says:

    Ricardo, you are making too much sense. Arguing with “progressives” like Ron Kaye here, Beck, etc is pointless. They are too wrapped up in this PC garbage to even contemplate the legality. To them giving a license and making it legal to drive even if they illegally reside in the country is OK. But this suggestion of fingerprinting the illegals when they apply for a DL is interesting. Since a citizen does not need to do so, this way we will have a database of people that shouldn’t be in this country and should be prohibited of getting a resident card since they entered the country illegally.

  3. Scott Zwartz says:

    If an undocumented person is arrested under this statute, he has the affirmative defense of Legal Impossibility. People v. Taylor, (1992) 7 Cal. App. 4th 677 Legal Impossibility Although this defense seldom works, in this instance it looks applicable. One law mandates that a person cannot have a drivers license for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with his/her ability to drive, and then another law impounds his/her car for not having a drivers license. Because it is “legally impossible” to obtain the drivers license, this element of the law fails and hence the entire statutes fails as to undocumented persons.

    Thus, the fall back statute, which does not have this Legal Impossibility defense, alows the LAPD to relinguish the vehicle the next day. This time it looks like Chief Beck has made the right call.

    Of course, at the bottom of this problem is racism which Californians believe should trump wise laws to protect the public safety.

  4. Teddy says:

    A long time ago (but in our generation – and probaly why our borde is open,
    some “wise” pols gave their California farmer buddies permission to import
    Mexicanos to tend their fields and harvest their crops for little pay and miserable
    housing. Then a man named Cesar Chavez intervened,. Hence our problams
    today, wouldn’t you say?

    • Scott Zwartz says:

      No Teddy I would not say.

      If ya’ll wantz to gets down to it Bro –Este es Alta California, parte de Mexico. Si tu no quieresle, ni modo, go back to Okieville

  5. Teddy says:

    Mi Amigo. Scott, (I took espanol in Chicago during the depression. The “smart pols”
    made the excuse they could not hire Americanos because they cost too much and “their way” kept food prices down for Americanos. Now, I think is when
    we are harveting mucho problemos, Adios.

    • Scott Zwartz says:

      Entonces, tu no intendiste mucho — “mucho problemos”?

      The so-called illegals have a lower crime rate than other segments of the population and they work harder. Also, on matrix IQ tests, their chidlren have traditionally scored 5% higher than the average white. That probably has nothing to do with “race,” but rather with the phenomenon that immigrants who under take the burden to go to a new country are generally brighter than those who stay home. There are other factors, e.g. whether there is opportunity for them in their counry of origin. But higher IQ tends to positively with ability to see how life can be better if they moved elsewhere.

      • ex-valley says:

        Perhaps the links to your sources would be helpFul. I find it hard to believe you are right about the lower crime rate. And higher IQ statistics is again problematic due to the abismal dropout rate at LAUsd. Plus how did they take a sample of illegal children? They don’t ask the immigration status in schools. Your statements are just “progressive” propaganda so we accept that the presence of illegals in this country is somehow acceptable.

  6. Ricardo says:

    Cesar Chavez would be turning over in his grave if he knew what Beck wants to do. Cesar Chavez was against illegals working in the US. Interesting its on the record and rarely does anyone who writes stories mention that. Cesar Chavez thought the illegals were going to take jobs away from hard working Americans and he was right. I’m yet to see one of our local reporters print the fact and truth about that.

  7. Teddy says:

    The Story of Cesar Chavez
    THE BEGINNING
    The story of Cesar Estrada Chavez begins near Yuma, Arizona. Cesar was born on March 31, 1927. He was named after his grandfather, Cesario. Regrettably, the story of Cesar Estrada Chavez also ends near Yuma, Arizona. He passed away on April 23, 1993, in San Luis, a small village near Yuma, Arizona.

    He learned about justice or rather injustice early in his life. Cesar grew up in Arizona; the small adobe home, where Cesar was born was swindled from them by dishonest Anglos. Cesar’s father agreed to clear eighty acres of land and in exchange he would receive the deed to forty acres of land that adjoined the home. The agreement was broken and the land sold to a man named Justus Jackson. Cesar’s dad went to a lawyer who advised him to borrow money and buy the land. Later when Cesar’s father could not pay the interest on the loan the lawyer bought back the land and sold it to the original owner. Cesar learned a lesson about injustice that he would never forget. Later, he would say, The love for justice that is in us is not only the best part of our being but it is also the most true to our nature.

    I found this on the “net”

  8. Teddy says:

    “You showed you know the difference between right and wrong when you walked next door and talked to the LA Times.

    Now prove you are your own man, really the Chief of Police, by daring the mayor and City Council to do what is right in terms of protecting the public from harm.”

    Yes, indeed, Ron

  9. Wayne from Encino says:

    Here’s a better idea Ron, WHY NOT JUST GO ALL THE WAY, RON:
    Why stop at City Driver’s Licenses? WHY NOT HAVE LA CITY CECEDE FROM THE UNITED STATES AND SEEK A TREATY WITH MEXICO TO JOIN WITH IT AS A STATE? In the meanwhile, City Hall could just issue LOS ANGELES PASSPORTS by PAYING A FINE, PASSING A BACKGROUND CHECK, AND PROVING PROOF OF RESIDENCY FOR AT LEAST A FEW DAYS, RON!
    Forget a “path to Citizenship!” Let’s just make our our Nation, our own Passports, and our own Laws—no need to follow State or Federal Law from those ‘Pesky” and “Anglo” “Racists” in Sacramento and Washington, Ron!
    Ron—Today Citizens of Los Angeles, Tomorrow THE WORLD!
    I’m confident that City Attorney Camen (Sellout) Trutanich could take out a pack of Crayons and on some sheets of paper draft the L.A. City Declaration of Independence, Ron! Hell, Carmen might as well declare himself CESAR!
    HAIL CESAR, RON—HAIL FUCKING CESAR!
    (I know a few dozen more people will be in Escrow OUT OF LOS ANGELES CITY after reading this, but, hey, THEY’RE THE LUCKY ONES, RON!)

  10. Illegal immigrants will not become better drivers as a result of getting licenses. Passing a drivers test does not make anyone more or less careful.

    Allowing licenses is nothing more than a political ploy, as has almost anything to do with the illegal immigration debate in this country.

    Until we enforce employer sanctions and implement a guest work program for certain categories of employment, the problem will not go away.

    • Scott Zwartz says:

      Then let’s not have drivers licences for anyone.

      However, studies have shown that driver education does make people better drivers and that they have few accidents than people without drivers education.

      Perhaps the state needs to have more rigorous procedures for anyone to get a license.

      • I have a better idea – charge illegal immigrants a fee for a driving skills certification document which they would earn by attending drivers ed classes, that cost also being picked up by them. However, possession of the document would not protect them from having their cars impounded in accordance with the law. Possession would protect them from being referred to ICE if they are arrested for non criminal activities.

        While illegal aliens should be assured of rights that protect their safety and health without fear of deportation, they are not entitled to the same privileges accorded to citizens or those here on a legal basis. Driving is such a privilege, it is not a right.

        • Scott Zwartz says:

          When we allowed bigotry to cloud out judgment, we make bad decisions. Passing anti-immigrant laws is not necessary unconstitutional unless it involve federal preemption, but passing safety laws based on prejudice generaly miss the mark of protecting the public.

          We should make certain that it is easier, not harder, to learn how to be a safe driver and apply the same rules to everyone.

  11. ex-valley says:

    This is all part of the broad agenda to have illegals presence acceptable. Starts with driving licenses, giving state college aid to their children, including them in the census — pretty soon they get the right to vote (afterall they are already here and work and drive and go to college) and this is what is really the goal of the progressives.

  12. Wayne from Encino says:

    They already got you beat Hatfield:
    They can vote in NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL ELECTIONS!!!! I have seen non-citizen registration instructions for the Westlake NC!!!! All you guys are right on the negative direction and impact this stupid ass proposal would have on our LEGAL and CITIZEN truck drivers and cab drivers!
    Good discussion (but Ron did drink the Liberal Coolaid on it.)

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